the only asses now are the ones who held onto their spare copies instead of trading them away for the ridiculous offers that were being made for one. clean toilets, xbox s, ps3, all the goodies. granted folks still paying 800 to 1000 favors for them... oh well.

Just glad I didn't pay a ton for this DVD just for the game to be rigged with yet again. Oh well..some people like myself knew this day would come. Just like when that microwave weapon came out and was -10 speed and not -10% speed that got changed quick. Seems like that's happening a lot more lately. Makes me raise the question of why amens are even worth what people pay for them if it's not guaranteed that things will stay as theywere when you bought a DVD. Had hoped that to counter the low HP would be an amazing training DVD that gave you mad amounts of HP. Woulda just been another thing to fall on deaf ears

The hp decrease/bonus doesn't even matter to anyone at a high level since attacks do millions of damage anyway.

But for lower levels, hp penalties are just that. Penalties. The hp decrease balances the 95% defense bonus. I might be missing something, because people seem to think that +95% defense is worthless. Really? It might not be worth the absurd prices people were paying earlier but it sure as hell beats just about every other dvd in terms of stat gains. What the fuck is there to complain about? It was an imbalance, like has been said. If you bought under the false pretense that you'd be saving a shitload of money, you were sorely misled, and it is no one's fault but your own that you didn't anticipate this. Shame on you.

im glad i sold my 3 copies of phoenix atleast.. 500, 650 and 799 (sorry spin) favors

hoarders and greedy fucks should have sold all their pt2's when people was ready to sacrifice an arm for it..but you just had to wait for the whole body huh >_>

Got rid of mine same day it came out for something I needed all around and nobody was trying to give up

I dont know why you guys say phoenix is useless and shit .. Its still 65 STM smfh 400favor dvd in my opinion still

the phoneix isnt but the pt 2 is, unless ur a def trainer

its not..

yup same

In which case it's the best dvd you can buy. Best dvd for defense trainers, so defense trainers are still going to want to buy it.

It's not worthless.

but not many def trainers..so demand is low..which should mean its cheaper