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14 years ago  #41
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The solution is simple -1) Eliminate goverenment borrowing. The government doesnt need to borrow money, it can create its own, without debt or intrest attached.

2) Eliminate the ability of banks to lend money they dont have (fractional reserve lending).

These 2 measures would fix the economy.

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Originally posted by eazyas I can't believe you are likening the protests to those that have happened in the Arab world in the last 6 months... those were about fundamental freedoms such as people being killed by their own government for speaking out against them. Quite a different scale.

Wrong, thats how our corrupted mainstream media tries to put it accross, however, the arab spring hs the same driving factor which is wealth in-equality, try asking anyone on the ground and they will tell you that especially in egypt a main driving factor that acctually got people nto the streets was the price of food..

As for the mortgages... yes it would be good if people could own their own flats but unfortunately one of the reasons for the economic crash was that banks were giving out mortgages with almost no deposit (so people on low income could own their own home) but with a drop in the housing market, or interest rate change, people and the banks ended up in negative equity. That is not a good thing!

The banks gave out 5x , 6x or more x annunal sallery mortgages, which people would obviously default on. In a functioning society 3x the average wage should buy a humble accomodation.

So did you go to libya and ask people on the ground??? Or use the same sorces as me? I actually have a number of arab friends at work, especially Syrian and I get info from them when they go back. Its about fundamental freedoms, not the price of food

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Originally posted by eazyas The banks gave out 5x , 6x or more x annunal sallery mortgages, which people would obviously default on. In a functioning society 3x the average wage should buy a humble accomodation.

I don't know where you are, but around here it does -- quite easily actually. One issue is that people don't want to just "live" they want to live large. They want to over-extend themselves to be like the next guy when they don't have the next guy's income.

I'm not sure what this even has to do with the protests in the initial post, but over here there is a chance for everyone to have something if they work for it. Short of communism, not sure what you could do to give unto others who don't want to do anything to give unto themselves.

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In that case Your community sounds like a prosperous place to work and live.

On a national level These 2 measures would be the biggest factors to help fix the economy.

The solution is simple -1) Eliminate goverenment borrowing. The government doesnt need to borrow money, it can create its own, without debt or intrest attached.

2) Eliminate the ability of banks to lend money they dont have (fractional reserve lending).

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Originally posted by eazyas

The solution is simple -1) Eliminate goverenment borrowing. The government doesnt need to borrow money, it can create its own, without debt or intrest attached.

I see you didn't study economics then... borrowing is perfectly healthy and helps promote growth. Excessive borrowing is bad but some is fine.

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Originally posted by Death_Hand_Luke
Originally posted by eazyas

The solution is simple -1) Eliminate goverenment borrowing. The government doesnt need to borrow money, it can create its own, without debt or intrest attached.

I see you didn't study economics then... borrowing is perfectly healthy and helps promote growth. Excessive borrowing is bad but some is fine.

Your reply is very arrogant and simple minded, why should the government ( the people) borrow their $ from private groups at intrest when the government ( the people) can create their own currency ?

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Originally posted by eazyas
Originally posted by Death_Hand_Luke
Originally posted by eazyas

The solution is simple -1) Eliminate goverenment borrowing. The government doesnt need to borrow money, it can create its own, without debt or intrest attached.

I see you didn't study economics then... borrowing is perfectly healthy and helps promote growth. Excessive borrowing is bad but some is fine.

Your reply is very arrogant and simple minded, why should the government ( the people) borrow their $ from private groups at intrest when the government ( the people) can create their own currency ?

Because sometimes to create money (from natural resources etc) you need to spend it first. And you can't just print money as that creates inflation. For 1000's of years governments (or rulers etc) have borrowed money from private sources to fund big projects that create long term wealth.

Why wait 10 years to save the money, to build a big rail network for example, when you can borrow it and then use the extra 10 years worth of profit to cover the loan interest with extra profit to spare?

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The fact that if the governement ( the people) needs extra capital for public projects they must borrow money form private groups with intrest attached. This, by default , puts these private groups in charge of the government (the people), because if the governement (the people) needs money , and your not willing to lend it, it instantly puts you in charge. I think you need to study THE BASICS of who controll the quantity of currency in your country.

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If the government ( the people ) is in charge of the quantity of currency in the economy , then the people controll their own economy and country.

If private groups controll the quantity of currency in a country ( as they do now in usa and uk) then they controll that economy and the country.

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Originally posted by eazyas If the government ( the people ) is in charge of the quantity of currency in the economy , then the people controll their own economy and country.

If private groups controll the quantity of currency in a country ( as they do now in usa and uk) then they controll that economy and the country.

What they do with the money is nothing to do with the private firms lending it. Its a loan... nothing more. If I loan you 10 pounds I dont own you or control what you do!!!

 

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