and if I remember good ,father bush & father bin landen .....they r members of the same oil company !!!

and last its not only the oil ...money cost also the guns millions $$$$$ and also they use every weapon that is going to expire (like bombs) and also finding new customer to sell all these weapons (new tech ) !!!!!

That's not clear at all. Firstly, because Iraq wasn't even implicated in the attacks till Bush threw that in that 'Saddam is working with the enemy'; as I said it was just a little extra shit he said, the basis for America attacking Saddam was WMDs, not 9-11, and Afghanistan, really, it has no Oil at all, but I'll tell you the reason the USA attacked afghanistan, it's because they wanted to run natural gas piplines through it but the Taliban did not allow it, that's when the royal smear campaign started, and all the news organizations started running you know 3 minute mobile phone clips of how terrible the Taliban were.

And again, as I said, 9-11 being an inside job isn't possible until you look at all the things I said which no one wants to do obviously.

What about all the points raised in this 35min , 4 part video jaymeal ? when u consider these u see it is quite clearly possible.

Ok, eazy I watched it. And it gave me no new insight, and was quite subjective, and had no clear facts, just speculation. In fact a video like that is precisely why I rejected such theories, but let's start from the beginning: - the old ploy of linking Bush and the Bin Laden family. I've said this before, no shit, their construction company is worth billions, and the biggest in the world, hence, they take up most American contracts that happen in the Arabian Peninsula, this is just an everyday fact, happened before 9/11, happened after 9/11, still happening now.

Secondly they talk about how, news about the attacks were ignored, which in all regard disprove the conspiracy theory because they're now saying that the attacks were known about.. which honestly I don't have an issue believing, I don't think the FBI was totally in the dark about it, but I also don't believe they were total in the know about it either, generally, the world works this way in regard to intelligence.

Then they go on talking about how these Muzlimz were like in strip clubs and all this, most of which is speculation and no proof for, but if you look at them, you'll notice they don't have beards or anything, the fact is they used this shit as a cover, hell they even went to vegas, the night before the attack they were asking for hookers but declined because of their high price, and ordered porn. The obvious reason as to why they would portray themselves like this is to throw off any suspecting agents watching them. I mean the same can be said about how they were reportedly bad pilots, how can you judge the skill of someone who everything they do is a cover so they don't get caught. Most everything said about their actions prior to the attacks is about 90 percent speculation, as there's no concrete proof to it.

So then it turns into the whole Zionists did it etcetc, i don't know about you but the first shit I heard about 9-11 was that the Jews did it, that was the first shit I heard from the grapevine, but this is a massive whole in the fucking theory, first they say the government knew about it -- not only the government but several large corperations, then they say it was Israel framing Muslims, YET they also say that Israelis were detained. If the government was framing Muslims why detain Jews? Furthermore if the media was a proponent of this framing why did fox news air a story about Jews being involved?! on one hand the media is helping pull off the attack on the other hand it's giving proof it was an inside job?? Can't have it both ways.

My favorite part was when the lady says the plane was hijacked by middle eastern looking men, and then the narrator goes and says BUT!!! Zionsis ARE MIDDLE EASTERN dun dun dun. No they're not, the Zionists in Israel are european jews and the head of Zionism was of Germanic decent, I'm sure they trace their lineage to Hebraic origins, but no, they don't look arab at all, the accent was pretty arab sounding but at the same time the two Hebrew and Arabic accents sound very much alike anyway. But that's pure subjective shit.

BUT now that implicates something else, that now, JEWS did a suicide mission. The idea is very lulz worthy, because they're not known for that at all, like, not even close. And again I'd have to ask what incentive did these JEWS then have to kill themselves since it was part of a conspiracy to get money, right? No one would kill themselves to profit because they'd be dead o.o

I mean in the end there's always some people who profit from war, conspiracy? No, just facts of life same way people profit from cancer, and all the other bad things in the world. Anything you DO in life can and will be monetized whether good or bad. My big issue with these videos is they'll say like Oh Bin Ladens family was in the USA and got to leave before anyone was allowed in the air. -.-' my first question would be what were they doing here? My second question I thought you were saying zionists jews did it, but now you're implicated Muslims again? Third question where's the proof wheres the documents to support any of this besides someone on a video telling me it? it's no existant like most of the things said in the video.

And in the end none of it answered any of my questions. As i said before these conspiracy theories go on the assumption that the 9-11 attacks were isolated, and nothing like it ever happened before. But in reality look at the facts, 1993, 1998, 2000, all attacks on the US, the twin towers were hit in 1993 (No shit they had terrorist insurance then?) I mean was that CIA planned? Were the international attacks planned in London, and Madrid.. the questions are fucking ENDLESS, and these videos and theories do not answer a single one of them. They keep saying that there were bombs in the twin towers, you're fucking telling me a demolition company took a contract to set up explosives int he twin towers while it was still active? You're telling me not a soul in NYC noticed the demolition experts? It's a laughable assertion.

If you watch these videos without any knowledge of the history of Islamic Armed groups, and the history of Israel and the history of just middle eastern shit in general, i can see how they'd be convincing, otherwise they just going on odd discrepancies like someone lying (wow a politician lied?) or unprovable accounts of shit to build a whole magical world of evil rich men taking over the entire world.

I'm still waiting for someone to answer my initial questions though.

Ok, eazy I watched it. And it gave me no new insight, and was quite subjective, and had no clear facts, just speculation. In fact a video like that is precisely why I rejected such theories, but let's start from the beginning: - the old ploy of linking Bush and the Bin Laden family. I've said this before, no shit, their construction company is worth billions, and the biggest in the world, hence, they take up most American contracts that happen in the Arabian Peninsula, this is just an everyday fact, happened before 9/11, happened after 9/11, still happening now.

So u aggree they are in cahoots

Secondly they talk about how, news about the attacks were ignored, which in all regard disprove the conspiracy theory because they're now saying that the attacks were known about.. which honestly I don't have an issue believing, I don't think the FBI was totally in the dark about it, but I also don't believe they were total in the know about it either, generally, the world works this way in regard to intelligence

So u aggree that the plot was known to offocials

Then they go on talking about how these Muzlimz were like in strip clubs and all this, most of which is speculation and no proof for, but if you look at them, you'll notice they don't have beards or anything, the fact is they used this shit as a cover, hell they even went to vegas, the night before the attack they were asking for hookers but declined because of their high price, and ordered porn. The obvious reason as to why they would portray themselves like this is to throw off any suspecting agents watching them. I mean the same can be said about how they were reportedly bad pilots, how can you judge the skill of someone who everything they do is a cover so they don't get caught. Most everything said about their actions prior to the attacks is about 90 percent speculation, as there's no concrete proof to it.

I see you dont want to achknoledge the part about the aeroplane black box being lost but the passports turning up fine .

So then it turns into the whole Zionists did it etcetc, i don't know about you but the first shit I heard about 9-11 was that the Jews did it, that was the first shit I heard from the grapevine, but this is a massive whole in the fucking theory, first they say the government knew about it -- not only the government but several large corperations, then they say it was Israel framing Muslims, YET they also say that Israelis were detained. If the government was framing Muslims why detain Jews? Furthermore if the media was a proponent of this framing why did fox news air a story about Jews being involved?! on one hand the media is helping pull off the attack on the other hand it's giving proof it was an inside job?? Can't have it both ways

I fail to see the relevance here, In my opinion there is a shadowy group who are in controll over most of the developed world, but thats not enough , they want it ALL . In my opinion the reason for invading iraq and afganistan is because they are not fully under the conroll of this shadowy group, all this irseal and oil business is just extras.

My favorite part was when the lady says the plane was hijacked by middle eastern looking men, and then the narrator goes and says BUT!!! Zionsis ARE MIDDLE EASTERN dun dun dun. No they're not, the Zionists in Israel are european jews and the head of Zionism was of Germanic decent, I'm sure they trace their lineage to Hebraic origins, but no, they don't look arab at all, the accent was pretty arab sounding but at the same time the two Hebrew and Arabic accents sound very much alike anyway. But that's pure subjective shit.

you said it

BUT now that implicates something else, that now, JEWS did a suicide mission. The idea is very lulz worthy, because they're not known for that at all, like, not even close. And again I'd have to ask what incentive did these JEWS then have to kill themselves since it was part of a conspiracy to get money, right? No one would kill themselves to profit because they'd be dead o.o

just speculation, a "consider this option" i guess, however u should check out the Kabala , Zionist preachers use this to justify murder and to train/brainwash soilders/slaves/kamakazies ect

I mean in the end there's always some people who profit from war, conspiracy? No, just facts of life same way people profit from cancer, and all the other bad things in the world. Anything you DO in life can and will be monetized whether good or bad. My big issue with these videos is they'll say like Oh Bin Ladens family was in the USA and got to leave before anyone was allowed in the air. -.-' my first question would be what were they doing here? My second question I thought you were saying zionists jews did it, but now you're implicated Muslims again? Third question where's the proof wheres the documents to support any of this besides someone on a video telling me it? it's no existant like most of the things said in the video.

proof of the flights is easily available online

And in the end none of it answered any of my questions. As i said before these conspiracy theories go on the assumption that the 9-11 attacks were isolated, and nothing like it ever happened before. But in reality look at the facts, 1993, 1998, 2000, all attacks on the US, the twin towers were hit in 1993 (No shit they had terrorist insurance then?) I mean was that CIA planned? Were the international attacks planned in London, and Madrid.. the questions are fucking ENDLESS, and these videos and theories do not answer a single one of them. They keep saying that there were bombs in the twin towers, you're fucking telling me a demolition company took a contract to set up explosives int he twin towers while it was still active? You're telling me not a soul in NYC noticed the demolition experts? It's a laughable assertion.

No your ignorance is laughable, it doesnt take many people to rig a few buildings, the video gave u an example of the "isreal students" occupying one of the rooms free of charge, combined with the fact that marvin bush is the director of the security company why could the buildings not be rigged without the public noticing

Well jaymeal ive responed to your post but it was very long lets go 1 question at a time from now on :

What does the FACT that the BBC reported on live tv that tower 7 had colapsed , a full 20 minutes before it actully colapsed imply ? I think it means that the whole day was scriped, and someone made a mistake in the days schedule and the people incharge of the bbc had knoledge of the script and had planned the days broadcasts around it. I seen this broadcast on my tv in my living room, but didnt know that the building had not actually colapsed yet untill i seen the information available online.

Lets not forget that when this information was brought to light the bcc claimed to have lost all 3 copys of this broadcast.

man speeks the truth

A little off topic but very entertaining imo, check out this episode of the keiser report from tv channel russia today. In this 15min broadcast max talks about blair and bush, very funny.

Cahoots? More like the biggest construction company in the world took up American contracts. Hardly 'cahoots'.

Probably had some intel on impending attacks, like most other attacks.

Because they didn't even get it right, everyone keeps saying Atta's passport was found, which it wasn't it was allegedly al-Suqami's passport which everything surrounding the incident is again complete speculation, in fact you can even see the reports saying it was Atta, then Suqami, all I'm sure based on word of mouth. Not a compelling argument, and sure as hell not a basis for saying it was a conspiracy.

It's not a shadowy group, it's a group in full sight who want everything. The American's want to take over everywhere, Israelis want to erase Palestinians, and the international community backs them and their crimes against humanity becuase, well, America, UK, France, replaced most of the world's governments into puppets. Germany, Japan, the entire middle east, Russia, Indian Sub Continent, Pacific Islands, etc. and they have smaller weaker countries trying to suck ass to prosper like America.

My family fought against Zionists in two wars, their mentality had been made quite evident.

About as convincing as Bonzai Kittens

Do you know how big the twin towers were? Do you realize the logisitcs of taking down a building that size? Covertly no less. And you're totally taking out the human element that hundreds of workers of the demolition company would be rigging this, not the elite, working class people, fully aware of what they're doing. Lulz. N they all kept quiet too. I was watching a program challeging the theory and they asked a demolition expert saying a full team would need six months to rig a building that size (and it's two towers remember not one), you do realize it's not just setting bombs, its getting in all the shafts, cutting the support beams and struts to fall vertically.. its not just oh im putting a bomb in here and its going to fall.

Why did Fox news report bush had won before the elections were over? Anticipation? Eveyone knew the tower would fall, that's why they had everyone evacuate from it, all the fire fighters were ordered to leave. That building was blazing for like 8 hours, no one ever mentions that though.

And again, so the media is in on it? xD so those reporters on the news all know the "truth"? They're all ok with it, right? No one is speaking up, nothing. The amount of people is unsustainable to keep a conspiracy going, that is the reality of it.

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I fail to see the relevance here, In my opinion there is a shadowy group who are in controll over most of the developed world, but thats not enough , they want it ALL . In my opinion the reason for invading iraq and afganistan is because they are not fully under the conroll of this shadowy group, all this irseal and oil business is just extras.

It's not a shadowy group, it's a group in full sight who want everything. The American's want to take over everywhere, Israelis want to erase Palestinians, and the international community backs them and their crimes against humanity becuase, well, America, UK, France, replaced most of the world's governments into puppets. Germany, Japan, the entire middle east, Russia, Indian Sub Continent, Pacific Islands, etc. and they have smaller weaker countries trying to suck ass to prosper like America.

You say its America, not a shadowy group, does that mean the american people want to dominate the world? Who is incharge of America ?

No your ignorance is laughable, it doesnt take many people to rig a few buildings, the video gave u an example of the "isreal students" occupying one of the rooms free of charge, combined with the fact that marvin bush is the director of the security company why could the buildings not be rigged without the public noticing

Do you know how big the twin towers were? Do you realize the logisitcs of taking down a building that size? Covertly no less. And you're totally taking out the human element that hundreds of workers of the demolition company would be rigging this, not the elite, working class people, fully aware of what they're doing. Lulz. N they all kept quiet too. I was watching a program challeging the theory and they asked a demolition expert saying a full team would need six months to fix a builing, you do realize it's not just setting bombs, its getting in all the shafts, cutting the support beams and struts to fall vertically.. its not just oh im putting a bomb in here and its going to fall.

I aggree that it could take a full team 6 months or more to do, but i dont see this as a major problem . Areas could be closed off one at a time for "mentenance" while they are rigged. If you consider that the man incharge of security in the buildings is one of the accused, he could insure that these areas were allways watched before during and after rigging to ensure that no-one discovered it or tampered with it.

As for you explaination of the BBC report, i dont buy it, i dont think the BBC has a crystal ball or that they would report that something has happened before it actually happened on purpose to increase ratings or whatever.