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13 years ago  #651
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Originally posted by hokiefan
Originally posted by wormdogg10
Originally posted by hokiefan
Originally posted by wormdogg10
Originally posted by hokiefan http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/sectors/item/14731-friday-s-surprisingly-strong-jobs-numbers-aren-t-real

At first blush the jobs report released by the Bureau of Labor Statistics on Friday looked pretty good, catching establishment economists off-guard by about 80,000 new jobs. Instead of the 160,000 new jobs expected in February, the BLS reported 236,000, which pushed down the unemployment rate to 7.7 percent. This came on top of a drop in claims for unemployment insurance as well, with the four-week moving average of 348,750 new claims declining to the lowest level since March 2008.

Some saw the numbers as exposing as overwrought claims by President Obama and Fed Chairman Bernanke that the sequester cuts would cost the economy some 750,000 jobs. John Crudele, writing in the New York Post, considered these happy numbers as a “blow to the area below Obama’s gut. It’s hard to rev up fear in people about the job market when they've just heard that things may be getting better.”

Not so fast. Though the administration has deceptively fanned the flames of fear regarding the sequester cuts, it must also be kept in mind that the job numbers now in the news do not tell the whole story.

First of all, reports early in the new year are usually fairly robust. In January and February 2012 the BLS reported nearly 600,000 new jobs, but then the economy stalled, with growth in GDP essentially flat-lining in the last quarter of the year.

According to the household survey, where the BLS asks how many are working in a household, 170,000 new jobs were added in February of this year — despite the addition of an astounding 446,000 part-time jobs. What this means is that some 276,000 full-time jobs were lost in February. A Gallup survey released the day before the Labor Department’s report noted:

Although fewer people are unemployed now than a year ago, they are not migrating to full-time jobs for an employer. In fact, fewer Americans are working full-time for an employer than were doing so a year ago, and more Americans are working part time.

This may be an effect of the ObamaCare rule that employees working 30 hours a week or more must be covered with health insurance, and as a result of that more and more employers are cutting hours and hiring more part-time people. And as hours are cut, more and more people are seeking a second job to make up the difference. That would be another of those “unintended consequences” of government interference in the marketplace.

An editorial in the New York Times successfully saw past the rosy surface numbers reported on Friday as well. It looked around at where job growth might come from. Housing? Some growth there, from a percentage basis. But when one is at the bottom, everything looks up from there. Car sales? Not so much. Rising wages? Not much help there either.

The Times also noted that the labor force is shrinking, so that whatever numbers the BLS reports aren't real:

Most of the decline [in unemployment] reflects a shrinking labor force rather than new hiring. In fact, if hiring were more robust, the unemployment rate would hold steady or even rise as the estimated four million Americans who are not working or looking for work rejoined the ranks of job seekers, where they would be counted in the official unemployment rate.

Furthermore, those who have been out of work for six months or more actually increased last month. If the economy were healthy, surely that number would be declining.

Even if one could believe that the unemployment report from Friday was accurate, it still falls below the estimated 250,000 jobs needed every month just to absorb new job seekers. It would take many more than that to bring the unemployment rate down significantly, and that just isn't on the horizon.

Until the debate about how to grow the economy changes significantly in Washington from “how do we grow jobs?” to “how do we get out of the way of jobs growth?” the unemployment rate will remain high, extending the impact of the Great Recession far into the future.

Thenewamerican.com might as well have posted a quote from Imdumbasshitandmynameishokie.com! How could you be a dick head and be mad that employment is lower since 2008 and the Stock Market is higher then it has been in many years? I know the reason but you arent man enough to let your nuts hang and say it! COWARD!

do you need me to break it down for you so you can understand?

unemployment rate dropping because people are exiting the labor market and instead opting for government assistance.

labor force has decreased dramatically, rate would go up if people started looking for work again, but they are not, and they don't want to, they can stay home and make free money instead from you and I.

I dont need you to break anything down to me I can read I know you think we cant comprehend, but I do ok.

Do you need to break down my post for you? Reread it and then talk to me like a man! Trying to be condescending and shit

i re-read your post. i still feel you do not comprehend what is going on. i get a dns error when I try to access Imdumbasshitandmynameishokie.com, so the newamerican.com obviously is not like that. yeah, the stock market is high, high on federal reserve pumping. main street is still feeling the pain.

! First I can picture trying to find a website with you own name in it(dumbass). Second the point was the article is from a tea party rag mag website. Third if this were fact why wouldnt your Republican congress members make a point of this!

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-03-08/job-gains-ease-deficit-urgency-even-as-two-sides-ready-for-fight.html

(House Speaker John Boehner, an Ohio Republican, said the drop in unemployment was “positive news,” though “without a plan to control spending and balance the budget,” prospects “for long-term economic growth will dim.”)

Why wouldnt he cry BS if this were true?

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Originally posted by MeganFox
Originally posted by howie429
Originally posted by MeganFox there was plenty of hate bush received (and he still receives a bunch even though hes been out of office for well over 4 years), hes not our current president screwing things up now

but it seems to me that the day a new pres steps in the oval office he is supposed to fix all the problems that a current pres left him obama didnt go to war with irag or afganistan but it has some how became his problem with the current budget he was left a legacy of debt how is it OBAMAS fault

because he continues to spend out of control and waste money

"change" was supposed to take place

democrats hate republicans, republicans hate democrats, there are fundamentals that both parties claim to hold but both just practice the same bureaucratic practices, many of the same lobbyists and backers of the political elites fund both sides, its either right-left, black-white(not talking about race), for or against on all the issues, polar opposites, neither party takes a stance near the middle but as far as they can to either side of an issue, they go to opposite sides of issues for political reasons not the best interests of the american people, compromise is needed but rarely ever get it, just as talking points

i am liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal issues, id call out either party for their mistakes, and both have made many

Howie/Megan just gets it.

It's not about race, it's about the job that he's doing. I gave GWB his far share of shit too based on the job he did.

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ah yes, the details start to emerge on obamacare. (from the associated press, not "faux news")

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-applying-health-care-not-easy-171510320.html

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http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/president-obama-wont-balance-budget-just-for-the-sake-of-balance/

this guy doesn't even want to balance the budget. he is content to CONTINUE ADDING TO THE $16T deficit. what a fucking joke i'm sorry. I saw this headline and I thought it was some talking head making a claim that Obama doesn't want to balance the budget, but not this is coming right from his mouth. This guy is TAX.. and SPEND.

edit: Source: ABCNEWS, not "faux news"

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is spending a problem? President Obama does not think so. the national debt is one of our biggest threats to national security that we face right now.

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Originally posted by hokiefan ah yes, the details start to emerge on obamacare. (from the associated press, not "faux news")

http://news.yahoo.com/ap-exclusive-applying-health-care-not-easy-171510320.html

What details? That you have to fill out forms that people look at? Have you ever applied for insurance that wasnt from your job? Shit man you gotta be screened to rent a high priced hooker by other hookers to get to that hooker! Your against "entitlements" anyway so how are you effected?

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Originally posted by hokiefan http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2013/03/president-obama-wont-balance-budget-just-for-the-sake-of-balance/

this guy doesn't even want to balance the budget. he is content to CONTINUE ADDING TO THE $16T deficit. what a fucking joke i'm sorry. I saw this headline and I thought it was some talking head making a claim that Obama doesn't want to balance the budget, but not this is coming right from his mouth. This guy is TAX.. and SPEND.

edit: Source: ABCNEWS, not "faux news"

“My goal is not to chase a balanced budget just for the sake of balance. My goal is how do we grow the economy, put people back to work, and if we do that we are going to be bringing in more revenue,” he said.

“We’re not gonna balance the budget in ten years because if you look at what Paul Ryan does to balance the budget, it means that you have to voucher-ize Medicare, you have to slash deeply into programs like Medicaid, you’ve essentially got to — either tax — middle class families a lot higher than you currently are, or you can’t lower rates the way he’s promised,” the president told me.

“So it’s really, you know, it’s a reprise of the same legislation that he’s put before.”

“If we controlled spending and we have a smart entitlement package, then potentially what you have is balance — but it is not balance to, on the backs of the poor, the elderly, students who need student loans, families that have disabled kids. That is not the right way to balance,” he said.

Did you read the article or just see "He's against Paul Ryan so hes wrong). You think the middle class and poor should suffer more to balance the budget?

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Originally posted by hokiefan

is spending a problem? President Obama does not think so. the national debt is one of our biggest threats to national security that we face right now.

Yeah man I dont want to see any economic growth and increased infrastructure. Fuck that! Ild much rather the rich get richer and the poor stay where they are! Yeah im being facetious. Would you pay a bill before you make sure your kids eat if your struggling? Thats a yes or no question.

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Originally posted by wormdogg10
Originally posted by hokiefan

is spending a problem? President Obama does not think so. the national debt is one of our biggest threats to national security that we face right now.

Yeah man I dont want to see any economic growth and increased infrastructure. Fuck that! Ild much rather the rich get richer and the poor stay where they are! Yeah im being facetious. Would you pay a bill before you make sure your kids eat if your struggling? Thats a yes or no question.

the poor are still poor, and often they are poor for a reason, poor choices, and no i am not referring to those who are doing what they can to put food on the table, i'm referring to those that are using drugs, alcohol, and other vices, rather than support their family or try to better themselves. all i ask for is a little personal responsibility for ones actions. My problem is not with those who are doing all they can to make ends meet, but just not quite getting there. my problem is with those who chose to go have 4 and 5 children with no daddy at home and no steady job or financial income or savings.

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Originally posted by hokiefan
Originally posted by wormdogg10
Originally posted by hokiefan

is spending a problem? President Obama does not think so. the national debt is one of our biggest threats to national security that we face right now.

Yeah man I dont want to see any economic growth and increased infrastructure. Fuck that! Ild much rather the rich get richer and the poor stay where they are! Yeah im being facetious. Would you pay a bill before you make sure your kids eat if your struggling? Thats a yes or no question.

the poor are still poor, and often they are poor for a reason, poor choices, and no i am not referring to those who are doing what they can to put food on the table, i'm referring to those that are using drugs, alcohol, and other vices, rather than support their family or try to better themselves. all i ask for is a little personal responsibility for ones actions. My problem is not with those who are doing all they can to make ends meet, but just not quite getting there. my problem is with those who chose to go have 4 and 5 children with no daddy at home and no steady job or financial income or savings.

Nobodies talking about those people. Nobodies behind those people. See thats your problem when you hear poor you think druggies, alchoholics,etc,etc. There is such thing as the working poor! Go to Walmart and ask one of their worker?

And again I asked a yes or no question that you smooth avoided!

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