you thinking about a written constitution to start with?

America's a republic and it sucks. In the end it's all the same, the elections are always won not by skill, but by lies, propaganda, and money. If I have wal-mart backing me I'll be the next president of the United States. But if I have sound ideas, and common sense, well then, I'll end up like  Ron Paul who in my opinion was the only valid candidate for the presidency.

The political atmosphere in America is terrible. The news organization are driven by political affiliations, and propaganda, and the bills passed are passed based on who is the house majority leaders and not based on what the bill actually says, in the end it's 90 per cent of Americans screwed in our type of government, in a way I like the UK system because before you know it there's a whole new government put in place instead of 2+ years of propaganda, TV ads, debates, and everyone shoving their opinions down your throat. It's a system that clearly sucks and I just hope the UK takes steps to move AWAY from it rather than move towards it, but since I hear you've got a hung parliament it's probably the same shit there, the politicians are going to put their party first instead of the interests of the people. I guess it's the same everywhere.

you know the system is not working for the little man when corporations have more rights than people do. They'll back their puppet politicians and give us suckers a lame show in exchange for our votes. Some freedom

Freedom easily becomes compromised in a what I would call corrupt capitalistic state. For example here in America big businesses were and continue to receive interest free loans (and straight up cash) simply  for being large. Anyone can call me a communist if they want but I don't like the idea of companies being large and powerful enough to literally break the global economy. So if they can do that, surely they can win elections for people.

As far as I'm concerned, that's not even capitalism. That's selective socialism (perks of it for big business and no side effects) The same situation happens in the UK which you cannot deny, when the US went under so did the UK, and they injected billions into their banking systems like we did here. But alas we learn no lessons from such recent history because our politicians lie to us, and we continue to vote for them because they're the only guys we see on the television screen (Sponsored By: [Insert multi-billion dollar corporation here]).

And honestly, with all that said, I cannot say I don't live comfortable here in America (albeit after forclosure of the home I gew up in). I do. Yet based on what? Money being printed out with nothing backing it, and the only reason people deal with it is because of 'confidence in the dollar'; as soon as that's gone, the standard of living dies. So I'm living off of what? Confidence? Because it sure as hell isn't solid assets.

hey, sp3k, I do all that I know you can't verify, but I am quite big on boycotting big business as best I can IRL. But I hope you're not suggesting I should be thankful I have the freedom to turn off my TV or not shop at Starbucks I think it's a far cry from giving as much support to big business as it's being given today around the world to turning into a communist regime. What I'm saying is big business should be accountable to people if it's got the power. Anybody who's got the power and is not accountable to anybody else is running an autocracy which is the same as a totalitarian regime, isn't it?

I lost interest in politics as a kid, when I walked past the tv and saw these politicians insulting each other with 'posh talk' and thought what a bunch of dickheads.

Normally I vote by making a lil 'no confidence' vote, however this year the tv debates made it for me.

Brown didn't seem to do too bad, but everyone's sick of him, he wasn't voted it.

Cameron was just grasping at straws and repeating what everyone else said cept with a 'and I'm also for...' squeezed in their somewhere. You could see the desperation, and if you were in the audience, you coulda smelt it.

Clegg however, he came off good.......I have no opinion of the dude.....but he wasn't acting like a spoilt brat desperate to be voted & liked.......

So my NI vote would of reflected that and gone with the renamed&rehashed conservaties over here....but.....whoops......

Shit came up, and that vote never got cast.

It's not like some BNP dickhead is trying to get in or some right wing facist looking to nuke someone....

Considering my idea for a reform of British politics involves the Queen taking her troops, and if required, forcibly removing politicians from power to reposition a few of them, and fire the majority of them.......meh....

Jaymeal im pleased to have someone like you in this thread, velvet also, you seem to be fairly up to date on the subject. Going back to the idea of a written constitution would be great for the UK and everywere elese i believe.

In America your constitution has be eroded and nullified by recent laws your senate has passed in the intrests of globalisation, such as the partiot act. To say that because you have a constitution in america  and it still sucks , that the UK shouldnt go that way is wrong. This is because America is no longer run and governed by the constitution, therefore it is no longer a good example of a republic.

I can recomend this award winning video documentary with over 1million views on the subject ,The Fall Of The Republic, here is the youtbe link : 

Thanks eazyas. I've seen that video (in fact most if not all Alex Jones documentaries) although I cannot say I'm his biggest fan. He really does a good job at exposing the federal reserve, and big corporations, and hell I'll even go as far as saying the 'New world order'. Which I take much more lightly than he would I think. I opine that the NWO is more of a process of being able to easily plunder less powerful nations for resources (middle east for oil, Africa which has a lot of precious metals, etc) and I don't believe it's part of a big conspiracy to enslave mankind. Most of that more extreme rhetoric is pretty baseless when you peel back the layers.

As far as constitutional rights, lets face it, they're always violated and not just here in the USA either. That's what political correctness is all about on paper, in policy, in speech, it's all nice words. Peace, freedom, democracy, and so on. But then what actually HAPPENS is usually widespread corruption, espionage, war, assasinations, propaganda, and so on. What ever happened to actions speak louder than words anyway?

Of course I don't want to derail the actual topic at hand, of Britains unprecedented political turmoil >D

But the brits should get used to it. Here in America it's non-stop, and if the UK is starting these 'political debates' pretty soon media personalities will be major proponents of political parties, you'll have your own versions of FOX News and MSNBC constantly running propaganda against one another. Gives me a headache just thinking about it.

I am a fan of Alex Jones, as you say he does a great job of exposing the federal reserve,big corporations and the NWO.

These Finincial and Political Goals of the elite are relitivily easy with the correct information and documentation  to explain to others, as everyone understands the want for profit and resources. When the subject becomes more difficult is when you bring in the religious side of things, and alot of people won't even go there. I believe it is important not only to understand the finiacial and political goals of the elite, but, also to understand their relgious beliefs. Bohemian Grove anyone ?

BBC and Sky news allready do a good job of that, although we dont quite have our own Glen Beck yet, u should have seen our election coverage.............

sorry this statement :

"BBC and Sky news allready do a good job of that, although we dont quite have our own Glen Beck yet, u should have seen our election coverage.........."

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"But the brits should get used to it. Here in America it's non-stop, and if the UK is starting these 'political debates' pretty soon media personalities will be major proponents of political parties, you'll have your own versions of FOX News and MSNBC constantly running propaganda against one another. Gives me a headache just thinking about it."