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ADHD??? real or unreal???

12 years ago  #11
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No i don't... but 40 years ago Homosexuality was considered a mental illness... and 100 years ago woman with anxiety were treated by clitorial massage... Child abuse was not even discussed and the concept that young woman were being sexually abused at rates of 1 in 4 were not even considered... but it was happening.

The fact that knowledge about the brain and how it works is a very new area of knowledge and understanding into all sorts of ways it functions is a growing area ... so an increasing awareness and understanding for people who have faced difficulties for years is a likely reality

Do you have a problem with there being greater support for people who have faced the difficulties associated with ADHD... and i aren't talking about being "naughty" everyone is naughty at times... I am talking about the difficulties with concerntration... for some people co-ordination... ordering instructions...there is a range of symptons that have nothing to do with being "naughty"

Damn... if there is a way to support people with any difficulties that exist in their worlds i am down for support for them...

12 years ago  #12
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Originally posted by hanako No i don't... but 40 years ago Homosexuality was considered a mental illness... and 100 years ago woman with anxiety were treated by clitorial massage... Child abuse was not even discussed and the concept that young woman were being sexually abused at rates of 1 in 4 were not even considered... but it was happening.

The fact that knowledge about the brain and how it works is a very new area of knowledge and understanding into all sorts of ways it functions is a growing area ... so an increasing awareness and understanding for people who have faced difficulties for years is a likely reality

Do you have a problem with there being greater support for people who have faced the difficulties associated with ADHD... and i aren't talking about being "naughty" everyone is naughty at times... I am talking about the difficulties with concerntration... for some people co-ordination... ordering instructions...there is a range of symptons that have nothing to do with being "naughty"

Damn... if there is a way to support people with any difficulties that exist in their worlds i am down for support for them...

i understand your comments and i do not have a problem with helping people.......in the stone ages we to cut holes in peoples skulls to cure illness by releasing demons you have just stated 5 other good cases of things we as a race were wrong about so is not also possible that the greatest medical minds could also be wrong about this??

12 years ago  #13
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I don't see how they can be wrong Pegg... I work with a lot of children who have ADHD, Conduct disorder, and Oppositional Defiance Disorder ... and it is clear to me that ADHD exsists... also when you see a child, or young person, or adult go from just being judged as a challenging or naughty person to being heard about their difficutlies and being supported in a multi faceted away... so not just medication but other supports as well... it is so amazing the change and where they can get to with themselves and their relationships with others and their families...

I mean look at dyslexia... my mum has several spheres of learning difficutlies... when she was a child Dyslexia was never even considered or talked about... she was judged as dumb and stupid and was beaten for it... now she has a degree and teaches at a University... because she was given strategies to work around her difficulties... and thank fuck there is now greater understanding for people with learning difficullties...and role models that they can see who have overcome these difficulties...

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Originally posted by hanako I don't see how they can be wrong Pegg... I work with a lot of children who have ADHD, Conduct disorder, and Oppositional Defiance Disorder ... and it is clear to me that ADHD exsists... also when you see a child, or young person, or adult go from just being judged as a challenging or naughty person to being heard about their difficutlies and being supported in a multi faceted away... so not just medication but other supports as well... it is so amazing the change and where they can get to with themselves and their relationships with others and their families...

I mean look at dyslexia... my mum has several spheres of learning difficutlies... when she was a child Dyslexia was never even considered or talked about... she was judged as dumb and stupid and was beaten for it... now she has a degree and teaches at a University... because she was given strategies to work around her difficulties... and thank fuck there is now greater understanding for people with learning difficullties...and role models that they can see who have overcome these difficulties... [/quote

a very good argument and the fact you work with people with such " illnesses" shows why you have passion for the debate i am still not convinced but however i am open to learning more.....but sometimes i think its just a easy answer to a problem child or adult......i think if it is a real illness then the people who manipulate it to their own advantage (claiming benefits) have spoilt it for the real cases

12 years ago  #15
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todays society is overmedicated AND over diagnosed..sure their r examples of legitimate cases...but nowadays you'll see an over abundance of kids/adults diagnosed w/cases of adhd or others like depression..and unfortunately it's done not w/ the kids or adults best interest in mind..look at the boom in special ed budgets caused by these diagnosis..between special ed/social services/benefits and assistance programs....some may play it for a hand out or check..not all..but some.

12 years ago  #16
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oh i aren't arguing that it is always correctly diagnosed... and i agree we do have over medicated society... but to dismiss things as not accurate or even not existing is dangerous.

12 years ago  #17
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i agree..thats why i stated their r cases of legitimate diagnosis.

12 years ago  #18
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so to question the actual exsistence is dangerous... rather challenge the parents who want an easy out to what is going on with their kids... but don't rule out the fact it exsists... otherwise you maginalise a whole sector of society who are already have challenges in their world... don't need more stigma, judgement or discrimination.

12 years ago  #19
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but to explain some abuses..i've seen parents who have had their child mildly diagnosed w/ adhd so as to be able to exploit the special ed. programs in my town (w/an outstanding and costly spec. ed program)..whether it be via transportation,individual class size or special tutoring....thats not even attempting to get into the social welfare programs being drained my "questionable" children w/ disabilities....but like any program,if their a crack or hole..then unsavory/unethical ppl will try to exploit it

12 years ago  #20
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Yup those people exsist... and ruin it for the majority... question that ugly ass selfish greedy behaviour ... rather than the existence of ADHD...

 

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