God
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JayMeal
We cannot create nor comprehend the existence of God, and a God that complies with our logic, is not a God it's a mortal being.
Slickster
Odin
If we cannot nor comprehend it then why do we worship it?
Auminer
Ah but do "you" know for a fact that the exact % of 75% is true? Who conducted the research? Were they completely unbiased? What did they prove to be fact? Did they record everything properly? Generally it is a good idea that if enough people say something, let alone those with credibility, that it is true. However, it can also be said that make people believe that you are telling the truth and have a few follow that the "no brainers" ( as I will call them IE the sheep that is the majority of the worlds populace, yes those that follow not lead ) will believe you.
For every "lie" that is proven, there is a "truth" that proves it otherwise. Yes, even science has different viewpoints. Math doesn't and science doesn't if they are taken for what they are. However mankind simply loves to put feelings and a storyline behind anything, including facts. At this point, the information found is now skewed. Yes on both sides of the spectrum.
Also, I am not discrediting that the New Testament is largely influenced by man. Hell, look at when the last version came out. It clearly was fit to suite royalty to some degree and to tax people even further. Your basically going to hell ( back then ) if you do not go to church every Sunday and donate whats in your pockets. Too poor? Too bad, you need to buy your way in. That's mans words, not gods.
So again, to base either argument over something that was largely written and skewed by man is no basis for an argument. Same goes with completely dismissing god because energy collided and went BOOM and there was evolution.
If you can't see what I am writing I will boil it down. Don't take anyone's word for your personal belief ( whatever it may be ). You believe in god, good for you. You believe in nothing but science and that energy manifested out of nowhere in space and 2 atoms collided in the vast emptiness in which all of this was created, good for you ( seriously, I am a firm believer of the right to believe in what in the hell you want to no matter what it is or what country you are from ). Just be damned sure that it is "your" belief and that you know *why* you believe it.
OdinIn our minds, everything has to have a beginning since, logically, everything does. In fact, even the universe had a beginning. But what was before the universe? That's the question, isn't it? Something had to be there in order to create to universe or jump-start its creation. The only logical solution to some is that there was creator that was always there. A creator that decided to create everything we see around us. We can't prove it, it's impossible (and I think it always will be).
And with that statement, I'm going to stop following this thread before I make any enemies. It was an interesting topic to be apart of.
JayMealBecause we have faith in what we cannot comprehend and because we believe the scriptures in which we read from, as well as people's own varying personal beliefs. If you're looking for a scientific theory to explain an immortal being you will never find it. And again i point towards the infinite existant of the universe, where all the same questions can be asked.
I personally believe the science which we have was created by God, but that it doesn't apply to himself. That the world sustains itself by the sciences of this universe constructed by God. If you know about Albert Einstein you'll know that his lifes work was to map our the blueprint of God.
Slickstervery good question! most are thankful for the sake of being alive. Christians... the sacrifice of Christ.
you're having fun. Unbiased, no. It was an argument between family members. One being a Hebrew Israelite, the other a Christian. Some scriptures that were in one's bible weren't in the others (Christian's). He said they were "lost in time" bringing forth the arguement "how does that happen if i have it in front of me"?Last edited by Slickster 15 years ago
AuminerAnd that's it Odin. That's part of the why I just said. I like your name by the way, especially with some of the statements you have made. Made me kinda chuckle. Bottom line is, a believe such as this cannot be proven nor dis-proven. Aspects/viewpoints can but the core of it cannot.
In regards to making enemies. You don't have one here. At least not over this thread. I hope others are able to leave the game aside from this thread as well.
jasonkil
well i saw it in a programme entitled "The Truth About The Bible", showed roughly three quarters(about 75%) of the New Testament is lies, beginning with Jesus' birthplace, the fact that Mary was not a virgin, Jesus was married and so on
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AuminerYes, yes I am having fun. Again I love playing devil's advocate even against my own personal beliefs. From time to time when I do this, I even open my eyes to something I may not have known or believed was true. ***IMHO*** I think everyone should do it from time to time if only to ensure their beliefs haven't changed.