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14 years ago  #51
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Originally posted by Howie429 its different between the rest of the prisons and SD...the lower prisons people either train str/def or str/speed because they can only train enough til they run out of exp to level up...def trainers in SD have to train their speed so they dont get mugged and to level up or speed trainers will by far pass them so much easier cause exp from mugging is the fastest way to level up and its determined by speed...high levels that are speed/strength do not need to train def at all

the thing about amens, armor/weapons and drugs benefiting defensive trainers does not exactly mean they benefit the most(im talking about south dakota not the lower prisons)...say 2 people have 3 mil stats(evenly disributed of what they train just to make it easier)...a person who trains speed/strength has those 2 stats at 1.5 mil each...a person who trains all 3 has their stats 3 stats at 1 mil each

basicly what im getting at is if you have 1.5 mil stats of each you will get a better return from all your amens, armor/weapons, and drugs...i think you can get about 8x your def and about 6x you speed if you have all those amens available...the def trainer is only getting their 1mil base def multiplied by 8 which = 8mil while the speed trainer is getting their 1.5mil stat multiplied by 6 which = 9mil

my math may be wrong but its just getting this concept out there to see what people say

True, but assumes that defence trainers train equally... if that 1 mil defence was 1.2 mil (with speed and strength dropped accordingly to 900k) then they would win fights.

14 years ago  #52
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this all comes down to defensive players not wanting to be mugged...........if they didnt care about being mugged then they would have trained only defense n strength period..........now if ur talkin about leveling up then yea they would need to train speed to mug for exp but im talking about a fighting perspective....if i was a defensive trainer i wouldnt care 2 much about my speed....when its time to war i would just make sure i have enough $$ to buy out if some1 happens to mug me n get da beat down also

14 years ago  #53
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Originally posted by BkGangstar this all comes down to defensive players not wanting to be mugged...........if they didnt care about being mugged then they would have trained only defense n strength period..........now if ur talkin about leveling up then yea they would need to train speed to mug for exp but im talking about a fighting perspective....if i was a defensive trainer i wouldnt care 2 much about my speed....when its time to war i would just make sure i have enough $$ to buy out if some1 happens to mug me n get da beat down also

i did give in and started training speed.. but hes exactly right.. dont usually have people muggin me unless its war times.. or the noobs who go for miracle mugs all day.. but during war i only hold bank money plus 100k for buyouts and just crime as i use it

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Originally posted by halfbaked
Originally posted by BkGangstar this all comes down to defensive players not wanting to be mugged...........if they didnt care about being mugged then they would have trained only defense n strength period..........now if ur talkin about leveling up then yea they would need to train speed to mug for exp but im talking about a fighting perspective....if i was a defensive trainer i wouldnt care 2 much about my speed....when its time to war i would just make sure i have enough $$ to buy out if some1 happens to mug me n get da beat down also

i did give in and started training speed.. but hes exactly right.. dont usually have people muggin me unless its war times.. or the noobs who go for miracle mugs all day.. but during war i only hold bank money plus 100k for buyouts and just crime as i use it

exactly....its only recently i've seen defensive trainers trying to catch up on their speed but if u really think about it u dont need to train speed unless ur in a war or there is some1 wit higher speed who is always fuckin wit ya

14 years ago  #55
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Originally posted by BkGangstar some1 wit higher speed who is always fuckin wit ya

them damn inactives

14 years ago  #56
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DEF trainers need to train speed its not just a want...it makes no difference to u BK to train DEF or your just slowing yourself down...but people who train def need to train speed or they loose all their cash

mugging is the most important part of the game for higher level...the only way to compete is at some time you have to mug to level up to get in the same area or people will just continue to gain more because of the better trains you recieve when your a high level

holding cash or being able to steal everyones cash is alot more benefitual than than making someone pay 150k to buyout

a speed trainer can mug millions at a time but if they lose a fight they lose a small percentage of cash and get a 150k buyout

a def gets all their money stolen and a chance to get put in the infirm but not theres not much of a way to get cash back fast

training speed and str give u the advantage for mugging while still giving you a chance to win fights...a str/def will get smoked when it comes to mugging and only give them a chance to win fights

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Originally posted by BkGangstar I read a bit of wat was said.....i personally agree 1005 wit death_hand_luke.....Defensive trainers have more percentage amens than dat of speed n strength period.........now i understand wat neo said about defensive trainers having to train all 3 stats.........but i choose to train speed n strength b.c i didnt wanna get mug......defensive trainers r supposed to train defense n strength but b.c they dont wanna get mug they train speed also....so dats da only reason they train all 3 stats..........now about something neo said about me n hana base..........im not so sure all 3 of her base adds up to mines but i could be wrong n if it is higher than mine then i dont think its significantly higher so ur just jumping out on a limb there bro

This is something I see a lot of from speed trainers, but you've got to remember, there really aren't any def weapons and a big chunk of the def bonuses come from fridges and book cases. That's 26 slots def trainers have to use, and 26 slots spd trainers could use for more spd or str. I guess the bigger cells get, the less it's an issue, but I agree with neo, training all 3 stats is always gonna be a bigger coimmitment.

I do agree with the othr thing you said though. Kind of like a year or so ago when everyone suddenly switched from str/def to str/ spd. Weird how that seems to happen for no apparent reason.

14 years ago  #58
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and my def and str are within 500k of each other with my speed 10mil more than both of those just to put it out there...i like mugging and try to settle for a tie in a fight

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so explain dis to me then...........defensive player vs speed player...they both have 580k in their bank............who u think will win consider da speed trainer can only mug dat player n pray for a beat down???? ur talkin about being able to hold $$.....dats not wat im talkin about.....defensive players knows better than to go to war with millions on dem

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Originally posted by PsychoSteve
Originally posted by BkGangstar I read a bit of wat was said.....i personally agree 1005 wit death_hand_luke.....Defensive trainers have more percentage amens than dat of speed n strength period.........now i understand wat neo said about defensive trainers having to train all 3 stats.........but i choose to train speed n strength b.c i didnt wanna get mug......defensive trainers r supposed to train defense n strength but b.c they dont wanna get mug they train speed also....so dats da only reason they train all 3 stats..........now about something neo said about me n hana base..........im not so sure all 3 of her base adds up to mines but i could be wrong n if it is higher than mine then i dont think its significantly higher so ur just jumping out on a limb there bro

This is something I see a lot of from speed trainers, but you've got to remember, there really aren't any def weapons and a big chunk of the def bonuses come from fridges and book cases. That's 26 slots def trainers have to use, and 26 slots spd trainers could use for more spd or str. I guess the bigger cells get, the less it's an issue, but I agree with neo, training all 3 stats is always gonna be a bigger coimmitment.

I do agree with the othr thing you said though. Kind of like a year or so ago when everyone suddenly switched from str/def to str/ spd. Weird how that seems to happen for no apparent reason.

training all 3 stats is harder than training just 2....no one is debating dat............but becoming a defensive trainer has a price n dats being able to get mug easily..........i already went thru da 26 candles n everything else....defensive amens still gives a better percentage than speed n strength

 

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