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14 years ago  #61
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yes and your str doesnt even need to be higher then def to win fights like people have said since you get x amount of swings before the def trainer gets one. the best defense trainer will beat speed people in fights, and tieing def players and getting mugged. the best spd/str fighter can beat everyone, mug everyone. seems a lot more upside to being top spd/str trainer

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Originally posted by BkGangstar so explain dis to me then...........defensive player vs speed player...they both have 580k in their bank............who u think will win consider da speed trainer can only mug dat player n pray for a beat down???? ur talkin about being able to hold $$.....dats not wat im talkin about.....defensive players knows better than to go to war with millions on dem

bank is nothin when your in SD and have unlimited exp available...bk i can go to war with the union right now, 80% of you guys can beat me but i can crime up cash faster than you guys can infirm me...a speed trainer can lose a fight then just mug more cash back and can hold more and loosing less in the long run during a war when they crime

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Originally posted by BkGangstar
Originally posted by PsychoSteve
Originally posted by BkGangstar I read a bit of wat was said.....i personally agree 1005 wit death_hand_luke.....Defensive trainers have more percentage amens than dat of speed n strength period.........now i understand wat neo said about defensive trainers having to train all 3 stats.........but i choose to train speed n strength b.c i didnt wanna get mug......defensive trainers r supposed to train defense n strength but b.c they dont wanna get mug they train speed also....so dats da only reason they train all 3 stats..........now about something neo said about me n hana base..........im not so sure all 3 of her base adds up to mines but i could be wrong n if it is higher than mine then i dont think its significantly higher so ur just jumping out on a limb there bro

This is something I see a lot of from speed trainers, but you've got to remember, there really aren't any def weapons and a big chunk of the def bonuses come from fridges and book cases. That's 26 slots def trainers have to use, and 26 slots spd trainers could use for more spd or str. I guess the bigger cells get, the less it's an issue, but I agree with neo, training all 3 stats is always gonna be a bigger coimmitment.

I do agree with the othr thing you said though. Kind of like a year or so ago when everyone suddenly switched from str/def to str/ spd. Weird how that seems to happen for no apparent reason.

training all 3 stats is harder than training just 2....no one is debating dat............but becoming a defensive trainer has a price n dats being able to get mug easily..........i already went thru da 26 candles n everything else....defensive amens still gives a better percentage than speed n strength

With the exception of dh2, and I'd bet less than 50 def trainers have that, I think if you looked at the bonuses, and the space it takes in your cell, that wouldn't be true

14 years ago  #64
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Originally posted by Howie429
Originally posted by BkGangstar so explain dis to me then...........defensive player vs speed player...they both have 580k in their bank............who u think will win consider da speed trainer can only mug dat player n pray for a beat down???? ur talkin about being able to hold $$.....dats not wat im talkin about.....defensive players knows better than to go to war with millions on dem

bank is nothin when your in SD and have unlimited exp available...bk i can go to war with the union right now, 80% of you guys can beat me but i can crime up cash faster than you guys can infirm me...a speed trainer can lose a fight then just mug more cash back and can hold more and loosing less in the long run during a war when they crime

ok so ur talkin about being able to buy out n crime..........well i wasnt....i was simply saying without da criming n a 1 vs1 situation...defensive trainer is gonna win in dat situation period.....now if its a war then yes a speed trainer can buy out n crime right away................BUT i've stuck speed trainers b4..............pretty sure during our war wit DR u were stuck at least once where u either sat our ur time in da infirm or some1 sent u buyout cause all we had to do was every1 attack n mug back to back...not giving u anytime to crime considering u only had a certain amount of $$ on u

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Originally posted by PsychoSteve
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Originally posted by PsychoSteve
Originally posted by BkGangstar I read a bit of wat was said.....i personally agree 1005 wit death_hand_luke.....Defensive trainers have more percentage amens than dat of speed n strength period.........now i understand wat neo said about defensive trainers having to train all 3 stats.........but i choose to train speed n strength b.c i didnt wanna get mug......defensive trainers r supposed to train defense n strength but b.c they dont wanna get mug they train speed also....so dats da only reason they train all 3 stats..........now about something neo said about me n hana base..........im not so sure all 3 of her base adds up to mines but i could be wrong n if it is higher than mine then i dont think its significantly higher so ur just jumping out on a limb there bro

This is something I see a lot of from speed trainers, but you've got to remember, there really aren't any def weapons and a big chunk of the def bonuses come from fridges and book cases. That's 26 slots def trainers have to use, and 26 slots spd trainers could use for more spd or str. I guess the bigger cells get, the less it's an issue, but I agree with neo, training all 3 stats is always gonna be a bigger coimmitment.

I do agree with the othr thing you said though. Kind of like a year or so ago when everyone suddenly switched from str/def to str/ spd. Weird how that seems to happen for no apparent reason.

training all 3 stats is harder than training just 2....no one is debating dat............but becoming a defensive trainer has a price n dats being able to get mug easily..........i already went thru da 26 candles n everything else....defensive amens still gives a better percentage than speed n strength

With the exception of dh2, and I'd bet less than 50 def trainers have that, I think if you looked at the bonuses, and the space it takes in your cell, that wouldn't be true

dat DH2 pushed defensive players up n i've had ppl checked it out already to c who had da better percentage n defense came out on top

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The start of the debate was I said it was harder being a def trainer and luke said its easier, im aware that def has more/better adding ammenities. But even if a defense trainer is #1 in the game....they beat all speed trainers, they tie against def players, and they get mugged by lots. If a speed trainer is #1 in game they beat and mug everyone.

I think its pretty clear def trainers have to train more to keep up then speed trainers. Yes its valid to say if they just trained def/str they would be unstoppable....but it simply makes no sense to train that way.

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Originally posted by neo88 yes and your str doesnt even need to be higher then def to win fights like people have said since you get x amount of swings before the def trainer gets one. the best defense trainer will beat speed people in fights, and tieing def players and getting mugged. the best spd/str fighter can beat everyone, mug everyone. seems a lot more upside to being top spd/str trainer

yea my strength doesnt have to be as high as a defensive trainer n im glad it dont cause it would be worse for me....they got better percentage amens n adderal dat gives 25% compare to steroids dat only gives 20% so i think it works out just about right

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Originally posted by BkGangstar
Originally posted by PsychoSteve
Originally posted by BkGangstar
Originally posted by PsychoSteve
Originally posted by BkGangstar I read a bit of wat was said.....i personally agree 1005 wit death_hand_luke.....Defensive trainers have more percentage amens than dat of speed n strength period.........now i understand wat neo said about defensive trainers having to train all 3 stats.........but i choose to train speed n strength b.c i didnt wanna get mug......defensive trainers r supposed to train defense n strength but b.c they dont wanna get mug they train speed also....so dats da only reason they train all 3 stats..........now about something neo said about me n hana base..........im not so sure all 3 of her base adds up to mines but i could be wrong n if it is higher than mine then i dont think its significantly higher so ur just jumping out on a limb there bro

This is something I see a lot of from speed trainers, but you've got to remember, there really aren't any def weapons and a big chunk of the def bonuses come from fridges and book cases. That's 26 slots def trainers have to use, and 26 slots spd trainers could use for more spd or str. I guess the bigger cells get, the less it's an issue, but I agree with neo, training all 3 stats is always gonna be a bigger coimmitment.

I do agree with the othr thing you said though. Kind of like a year or so ago when everyone suddenly switched from str/def to str/ spd. Weird how that seems to happen for no apparent reason.

training all 3 stats is harder than training just 2....no one is debating dat............but becoming a defensive trainer has a price n dats being able to get mug easily..........i already went thru da 26 candles n everything else....defensive amens still gives a better percentage than speed n strength

With the exception of dh2, and I'd bet less than 50 def trainers have that, I think if you looked at the bonuses, and the space it takes in your cell, that wouldn't be true

dat DH2 pushed defensive players up n i've had ppl checked it out already to c who had da better percentage n defense came out on top

Worked it all out for Hana... will post results when I am back at work as they are on work computer

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yes and dh2 adds 95% of that. it costs 80-100$, there arent many out there.....when is the last time you seen one sold? exactly they dont get sold.

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Originally posted by neo88 The start of the debate was I said it was harder being a def trainer and luke said its easier, im aware that def has more/better adding ammenities. But even if a defense trainer is #1 in the game....they beat all speed trainers, they tie against def players, and they get mugged by lots. If a speed trainer is #1 in game they beat and mug everyone.

I think its pretty clear def trainers have to train more to keep up then speed trainers. Yes its valid to say if they just trained def/str they would be unstoppable....but it simply makes no sense to train that way.

i agree wit u on da fact dat they get mug n tie defensive trainers if they dont train strength.......but all im trying to say is they get a bigger boost on their stats compare to speed n strength.....training all 3 stats is harder period n yes if they train only 2 stats they would be unstoppable like u said neo but no one likes to get mug for their $$

 

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